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Post by TennisHack on Sept 7, 2003 17:37:33 GMT -5
Blah blah blah, I'm sure Roddick's really hamming it up. Guess he should do it now because it's not like he's going to get a lot of chances in the future. Only the USTA gives a damn if he wins Slams  Got my tape erased ahead of time. What a shitty day. What a shitty tournament. |
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Post by Layla on Sept 7, 2003 17:39:30 GMT -5
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Post by Kiro on Sept 7, 2003 17:39:45 GMT -5
*hug* *hug* everyone. Yes it's not fair. You know how difficult it is for a non-American player to win USO now. It's not Juanqui's fault. Juanqui we're proud of you! Take a good rest  |
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Post by RogiFan on Sept 7, 2003 17:39:52 GMT -5
I'm not saying Ferrero choked; three sets with (possibly) two TBs is no choke. But PMac will most certainly say it is. You know, I've been reading about psychoanalysis for one of my classes, and one thing Freud got right was the idea of diametric opposites and how much they have in common. Anytime something really really great happens (our man gets #1) something equally as horrible will happen to balance it out (he loses a GS final to possibly the most annoying player in the world). Freud thinks the two extremes have a lot in common; I'm not seeing it now but I'm definitely saying I didn't need an example of it, especially one so painful I guess Juan Carlos doesn't have my pride. Good thing he also doesn't have Roddick's ego or he might not be able to pick up his head ;D Juanqui and ALL Spaniards have lots of pride... it is a national trait... he s know that he gave it his all considering the crap circumstances... and he should be proud of what he did... why is it when Pandy cries it's so yukky unlike Rogi? remember Juanqui had to face Pandy at his best... and only Tim has beaten the jerk this summer Hope Juanqui doesn't hold back the truth... I want him to speak Spanish so he can say what he feels... We still love you and respect you!! Juanqui IS #1 |
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Post by TennisHack on Sept 7, 2003 17:42:40 GMT -5
how can Pandy accept the victory knowing full well it was all set up for him to win... what a jerk... He can do it because he knows full well it's about the only way he can win. Besides, why not accept victory any way you can get it? *sigh* After Cincinnati, I predicted this would happen. I was in a much worse state of affairs than I am now (too bad these big losses are coming so frequently between my faves . . .) So. What does it all mean? In terms of the rest of the season, I mean. How small is Juanqui's grasp at #1? I just hope :ass: jr bows to the pressure of having to defend all this. |
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Post by TennisHack on Sept 7, 2003 17:45:07 GMT -5
*group hug* Life sucks.
It would have been better if anybody else had won this tournament. I know, I know, it's like trying to delay the inevitable, but it really really sucks anyway. A very frustrating end to the Slam year to me.
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Post by RogiFan on Sept 7, 2003 17:45:19 GMT -5
I don't think anyone who knows anything about tennis will call Ferrero a false #1, except maybe PMac who's opinion doesn't matter in the slightest. Why do you worry so much about this? The other players respect Ferrero, I put more stock into that. The press is laughable. Oh and I'm sorry but that Freud theory is BULL.  There are people who lead pretty happy lives and there are people who have to endure hardships and misery all their lives. There is no great equaliser, as in every happy event has an unhappy one in its tow. But then I never thought Freud made much sense. In fact, most of the time I laugh at him. and a lot of players do NOT respect Pandy Spanish fans... Juanqui!! Aww... they are cheering... Patricia looking disappointed... he's #1 in our eyes!! Juanqui doesn't care about the freaking money! tehy always emphasize that he's the #1 in Spain... Juanqui talking... looking deflated... Juanqui don't be so nice to Pandy... |
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Post by TennisHack on Sept 7, 2003 17:46:53 GMT -5
Hope Juanqui doesn't hold back the truth... I want him to speak Spanish so he can say what he feels... They won't let him speak Spanish. They'll make him try to say the words in English. I just hope he realizes what a shitty situation it is and tries to speak out about it. Apparently he got some nasty bad calls. Nalby spoke up, so did Ljubicic. If the #1 player does it, maybe it will have some merit (though I doubt it). |
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Post by Kiro on Sept 7, 2003 17:47:39 GMT -5
how can Pandy accept the victory knowing full well it was all set up for him to win?? This guy has no nerve at all. Juanqui doesn't look upset or frustrating like RG2002 or TMC Shanghai. Pride Justine must have been cheering for Juanqui  |
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Post by Layla on Sept 7, 2003 17:48:00 GMT -5
Because I'm pathetic, that's why. Also, because it's what I have to put up with every second that I deal with tennis. Interesting as your dream analysis is almost directly lifted from him. It may be laughable, but if you read his theories they do make a lot of sense -- IN THEORY. There's a reason that nobody practices pure psychotherapy anymore but at the heart of it all, Freud got a lot of things right. Poor Juanquito  I just hope he knows it wasn't his fault. You're not pathetic at all. You just worry too much, that's all. My dream analysis is not in the least bit based on Freud, I'm a Jungian at heart. He was the pioneer of dream analysis and he set the foundations for everything that was to follow, but that doesn't mean the later theories didn't veer 180 degrees from the course he set and thank heavens for that. It is my belief that Freud was a very harmful psychoanalyst, who screwed up many a young (or old) woman's life, and probably a lot of men's lives as well. |
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Post by RogiFan on Sept 7, 2003 17:49:13 GMT -5
yuk called him A-Rod... Pandy always the smartass... not a lot of cheering... not overwhelmingly FOR Pandy... only fr the teenies... yuk Brat... Pandy ruined the finals... the ONLY Amer to win... Poor Juju has to go to the ball w Pandy... yuk! pobre de Juanqui looking sad... but he got more cheers than Pandy... that's for respect! what an anticlimax to a wholly yukky tournament... |
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Post by Layla on Sept 7, 2003 17:51:04 GMT -5
Katarina Srebotnik and Bob Bryan won!  |
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Post by RogiFan on Sept 7, 2003 17:52:07 GMT -5
Group hug!  I think this was written in the stars. All the main young guns - Ferrero, Federer and Roddick - have now won slams. This was a very exciting year. So I'm not completely devastated. But it's still crushing, especially watching those frustrating serves. How can anyone enjoy that is beyond me. NOT me, Layla! It's really winning UGLY... if only Nalby had won yesterday but oh I forget... the freakin schedule... it's a conspiracy! Pandy stole the tears fr Rogi... but it can never be sincere fr Pandy... P MaC IS TALKING NOW... where did he crawl out fr? poor trophy has to be kissed by Pandy... better get out the bleach!  |
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Post by TennisHack on Sept 7, 2003 17:53:53 GMT -5
LOL, well I guess that is a bit of a slap in the face to Roddick if he didn't even have the whole crowd on his side Hehe, Ferrero does garner and gain respect wherever he goes! We love you  Layla: Jung was a student of Freud's who ran with some pretty wacky ideas that Freud dismissed. Say what you like about the man, he knew his theories and stuck to his guns. I'm no proponent of psychoanalysis but it has a good basis. Don't mind me, this is just a really sad moment. Unfortunately, I tend to get really, really negative really really quickly. It's all a defense mechanism. |
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Post by ILR on Sept 7, 2003 17:54:30 GMT -5
oooooh *groan* what an ending. Juanqui really did play well. Like he said he just couldn't do anything about the serves. He said that he was happy but my heart was breaking. Yes I did cry when he got broken and it meant Roddick served for the set. |
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Post by Layla on Sept 7, 2003 17:54:37 GMT -5
Nalby and Cappy really screwed me over. |
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Post by Kiro on Sept 7, 2003 17:57:25 GMT -5
Hug everyone.
Juanqui still looks strong. No tears. He's holding his head high.
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Post by ILR on Sept 7, 2003 18:00:02 GMT -5
There were tears elsewhere though! Im off to bed now anyway. He should be proud because he didn't play badly and well it was the serve that killed him off like many others. Layla, Nalby really messed up this tourney for me too! lol.  |
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Post by TennisHack on Sept 7, 2003 18:00:15 GMT -5
ILR *hug*
Well, the only good thing to come out of this is now everyone but the USTA and its cronies will suspect Roddick didn't win this fair and square :satan:
That's okay. Roddick still can't defeat anyone ranked above him (hmm . . .) or should I say in the Top 5? Top 10? I agree with what Layla said before; once his game is figured out it's pretty beatable. Usually Juanqui munches big serves for lunch.
LMAO, I bet the other players will have a special "prize" waiting for him in the locker room :satan: He probably shouldn't show his face in Argentina or Spain anytime soon :satan:
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Post by bagel on Sept 7, 2003 18:01:08 GMT -5
Great win Andy, 2003 US OPEN Champion  |
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Post by RogiFan on Sept 7, 2003 18:01:08 GMT -5
Hi ILR! a sad day... important for Juanqui to get rest and stay healthy for the rest of the season more than anything now... wish there was a way to tell him how great he is and how well he did at the crappy USO... PROUD OF YOU JUANQUI!! FINALLY, the end of an anguishing two weeks! Boy do I need a vacation... does Pandy ever look ugly and stupid when he blubs... blechh... trying to think of sth positive to take fr today's match... OK time to refocus on DC now... maybe Pandy can crap out of the rest of the season now... [Rogi has SO many pts to defend now til the end of the yr... bet he's not too happy now... it s have been Rogi, not Nalby... still unfortunate Mark couldn't beat Nalby to begin w... ]
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Post by TennisHack on Sept 7, 2003 18:02:58 GMT -5
Go Juan Carlos, hold your head high. You defeated two past champions here and given a fair shake, you would have defeated the newest one, too. So it's kinda like he's played 3 finals now, and he's 2 for 3 ;D He's very strong and very classy Good for him, it will reap many more rewards in his life during and after tennis |
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Post by Layla on Sept 7, 2003 18:03:37 GMT -5
LOL, well I guess that is a bit of a slap in the face to Roddick if he didn't even have the whole crowd on his side Hehe, Ferrero does garner and gain respect wherever he goes! We love you  Layla: Jung was a student of Freud's who ran with some pretty wacky ideas that Freud dismissed. Say what you like about the man, he knew his theories and stuck to his guns. I'm no proponent of psychoanalysis but it has a good basis. Don't mind me, this is just a really sad moment. Unfortunately, I tend to get really, really negative really really quickly. It's all a defense mechanism. There's nothing wacky about Jung, and the fact that Freud dismissed his ideas means absolutely nothing. He is not the authority on the subject. Theories evolve and progress and sometimes move so far from their origin that the paradigm shifts. The students often surpass their teachers. But maybe now is not the best time for this discussion. I'm pretty bummed and I'm about ready to go to bed, seeing the women's final kept me up until 5 am last night. |
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Post by RogiFan on Sept 7, 2003 18:03:44 GMT -5
Pandy didn't have to face a top 10 player until today... look at Juanqui's draw... and compare... 2 former USO champs, #6 seed Hewitt and top seed and #1 :ass: ALL on zero days' rest... so there! can't tell me Juanqui doesn't deserve the #1 spot!!
nite nite ILR!!
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Post by bagel on Sept 7, 2003 18:05:47 GMT -5
Yes but he had Henman as a first round, and Schalken / Nalbandian are solid opponents... And Juan Carlos is number one. The best player on hardcourt this summer won, only logic afterall |
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Post by Layla on Sept 7, 2003 18:07:12 GMT -5
Go Juan Carlos, hold your head high. You defeated two past champions here and given a fair shake, you would have defeated the newest one, too. So it's kinda like he's played 3 finals now, and he's 2 for 3 ;D He's very strong and very classy Good for him, it will reap many more rewards in his life during and after tennis Here, here! Congrats on a fantastic and unexpected tournament! |
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Post by TennisHack on Sept 7, 2003 18:07:43 GMT -5
Layla: I agree. I don't want to have a meaningful discussion, either. This weekend has just sucked all around. Thank God Juanqui came out on top after all RF: too bad no one will remember Roddick's easy peasy draw. They only seem to remember that when they think of people like Zhenya, who speak out against the unfairness of the tour. |
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Post by RogiFan on Sept 7, 2003 18:12:18 GMT -5
some thoughts Pandy will have a TON to defend next yr w the most tourney wins... we shall forever have the image of Pandy holding the trophy as if it were his Elmo doll wearing his pjs and his dad's old fishing hat! |
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Post by Layla on Sept 7, 2003 18:12:20 GMT -5
For me, this tournament was still much, much better than last year, no comparison. At least I had hope until the very end, and didn't have to throw in the towel after the quarters. (I had Schalken in the semis but I never, ever thought he would beat Pete, so it was pointless). I'm really proud of Juanqui. Whatever happened, he proved to everyone he's a contender on the hard courts and that was his mission. That and reaching number one, which he also achieved. |
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Post by Kiro on Sept 7, 2003 18:14:24 GMT -5
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There are people who lead pretty happy lives and there are people who have to endure hardships and misery all their lives. There is no great equaliser, as in every happy event has an unhappy one in its tow. But then I never thought Freud made much sense. In fact, most of the time I laugh at him.
