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Post by Old Hag on Jun 28, 2012 12:22:30 GMT -5
India is weird with the sports they like, most of which aren't popular around the world. Cricket, field hockey, badminton, wrestling/fighting stuff. Tennis is a rare sport where they can compete on the world level, so I get it, but MIXED DOUBLES.
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Post by lexpretend on Jun 28, 2012 12:31:30 GMT -5
If I was an IND tennis fan I would HATE these guys. Potentially world class players, even if just in DNOC, who could do a lot for Indian tennis, and yet their legacy is this nonsense drama ongoing for over a decade.
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Post by Wagasi on Jun 28, 2012 12:33:07 GMT -5
Not to mention that despite its enormous population, India is not exactly a sporting powerhouse outside of cricket. So one of the few potential medals is at stake here. It's serious... Yeah, India won a grand total of 3 medals at the last Olympics. Another potential medal, even in DNOC would be huge. Besides, the other medals also tend to come from ignored sports like shooting and wrestling anyway.
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Post by DBBN on Jun 28, 2012 13:33:19 GMT -5
Too bad Giant Dance Numbers in Vests was not included in this Olympiad.
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Post by Old Hag on Jun 28, 2012 16:17:18 GMT -5
If I was an IND tennis fan I would HATE these guys. Potentially world class players, even if just in DNOC, who could do a lot for Indian tennis, and yet their legacy is this nonsense drama ongoing for over a decade. Definitely. If these guys just shut up, they'd be an instant feelgood story every time they play. It's really silly, but Paes has always been a twat and Mahesh probably is too.
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Post by DBBN on Jun 28, 2012 16:36:25 GMT -5
Mahesh certainly sounds awful in that interview after their first match.
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Post by janie on Jun 29, 2012 6:24:25 GMT -5
They're both prima donnas. Maybe Paes is more so because he is better-looking. And what man in his thirties allows his Daddy to speak for him, as both of these two have done? Ugh. It makes me laugh to think of any of you guys doing that. "Daddy, my boss dissed me! Please come to the office and sort him out!" But really, given the huge celebrity status of athletes in India, maybe the bigger shocker is how well-adjusted and normal Sania is, given that she achieved more (at least in the eyes of the world where singles >>>>>>> doubles) than these two clowns ever did.
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Post by Traveling Man on Jul 13, 2012 10:20:12 GMT -5
Sania appears to be the only voice of reason in this hideous mess.
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Post by Wagasi on Jul 13, 2012 21:38:42 GMT -5
Sania's getting some crap thrown at her now too. Apparently her mom is part of the official national delegation while Mahesh and Leander's parents aren't. The media think it was a token gesture to appease her camp and are blaming her for getting special treatment.
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Post by Traveling Man on Jul 14, 2012 11:40:24 GMT -5
I went and saw Cocktail today - everyone's so hot. Also, I love the track "Tumhi ho Bandhu".
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Post by Wagasi on Jul 14, 2012 13:01:33 GMT -5
I'm glad you liked it but that movie pushes all the wrong buttons for me. These desi Dynasty/Dallas remakes are not my cup of tea. I'm sure I'll be dancing to tumhi ho bandhu in a club soon though.
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Post by Traveling Man on Jul 15, 2012 2:17:30 GMT -5
The movie could have ended after the first half - there was really no need to continue after the intermission. Also, Dimple had such a brief appearance (she does better as a cougar a la Dil Chahta Hai). But what really got to me was how this turned out to be one of those "Gora values will leave you miserable and alone while the desi girl wins at life, ALWAYS!"
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Post by DBBN on Jul 15, 2012 9:44:19 GMT -5
Dil Chahta Hai. I saw that one. Is that the one where they fake gay?
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Post by Wagasi on Jul 15, 2012 12:28:58 GMT -5
But what really got to me was how this turned out to be one of those "Gora values will leave you miserable and alone while the desi girl wins at life, ALWAYS!" That's exactly it. The mixed messages are really weird to sit through. Indians abroad are portrayed in such silly ways. Everyone has a Rolls and lives in a giant mansion, speaks Hindi most of the time without anyone batting an eye, never faces any kind of discrimination and easily recruits white girls (to vamp around) and black men (to play drums) for dance numbers. And because it is "the West," everyone must be boozing and sexing all the time, but then eventually realize that their adultery/drinking/gambling etc. is actually not that sexy and what they really wanted was a simple woman who'll be their housewife. Plus Saif is over 40 now, it's weird to watch him get paired with actresses Deepika's age (it's not as bad as with the other Khans but still). To be fair Hollywood Rom-coms are just as contrived, I can't sit through those either. Songs are great though, they make desi club nights and wedding receptions worth going to ;D
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Post by Wagasi on Jul 15, 2012 12:34:51 GMT -5
Dil Chahta Hai. I saw that one. Is that the one where they fake gay? I think you're thinking of Dostana. The one where they fake gay to get a hot girl to move in with them.
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Post by DBBN on Jul 16, 2012 12:28:49 GMT -5
Yes.
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Post by Traveling Man on Jul 17, 2012 11:51:40 GMT -5
Dostana was such a fun movie. Great songs too - and Priyanka was just
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Post by Traveling Man on Jul 17, 2012 11:53:40 GMT -5
But what really got to me was how this turned out to be one of those "Gora values will leave you miserable and alone while the desi girl wins at life, ALWAYS!" That's exactly it. The mixed messages are really weird to sit through. Indians abroad are portrayed in such silly ways. Everyone has a Rolls and lives in a giant mansion, speaks Hindi most of the time without anyone batting an eye, never faces any kind of discrimination and easily recruits white girls (to vamp around) and black men (to play drums) for dance numbers. And because it is "the West," everyone must be boozing and sexing all the time, but then eventually realize that their adultery/drinking/gambling etc. is actually not that sexy and what they really wanted was a simple woman who'll be their housewife. Plus Saif is over 40 now, it's weird to watch him get paired with actresses Deepika's age (it's not as bad as with the other Khans but still). To be fair Hollywood Rom-coms are just as contrived, I can't sit through those either. Songs are great though, they make desi club nights and wedding receptions worth going to ;D Exactly! It's as though everyone has to be an extreme - a simple, pious villager or a coke-snorting slut. There's no middle ground. With the men too, either the simple, pious villager or the "player". Love the songs though - can't imagine weddings without them! ;D
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Post by Edna Krabappel on Jul 17, 2012 16:10:00 GMT -5
There's an Indian TV series that's very popular in Serbia, apparently. It's called Balika Vadhu (I think) and has about nine billion episodes. It deals with child marriage in rural India and what not. I tried watching it because, you know, it's nice to get to know different cultures, but I found it impossible to sit through all the close-ups with dramatic music in the background. I still occasionally take a look for a minute or two when I'm changing channels. What surprised me the most was much English they use - especially the educated and higher class characters. They literally cannot utter a simple sentence without using an English word. Is that really so?
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Post by Wagasi on Jul 18, 2012 5:54:22 GMT -5
I'm still shocked Balika Vadhu is shown anywhere abroad. These shows are so embarrassing. As you said, they deliberately use English to make people look educated or urbane (they also saddle lower class characters which local dialects and slang). I think the educated classes do speak a lot of Hinglish/Tamlish etc. (Hindi/Urdu/Tamil/etc.+Subcontinental English) though. Any decent schooling will be in English and people grow up consuming English language media and pop-culture and want to emulate it. Their English is definitely unique as well. They've invented words like prepone and borrowed characteristics of local languages like doubling adjectives to add intensity and dropping definite articles in speech. A few years ago, everything good was "rocking" and "mind-blowing," now it's probably something else.
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Post by DBBN on Jul 18, 2012 6:43:13 GMT -5
As you said, they deliberately use English to make people look educated or urbane (they also saddle lower class characters which local dialects and slang). I think the educated classes do speak a lot of Hinglish/Tamlish etc. (Hindi/Urdu/Tamil/etc.+Subcontinental English) though. Any decent schooling will be in English and people grow up consuming English language media and pop-culture and want to emulate it. Their English is definitely unique as well. They've invented words like prepone and borrowed characteristics of local languages like doubling adjectives to add intensity and dropping definite articles in speech. A few years ago, everything good was "rocking" and "mind-blowing," now it's probably something else. Thank you for this explanation of the most puzzling thing about Bollywood cinema to me (even more than the dancing and the vests). It's like "HINDI HINDI HINDI HINDI HINDI Don't you agree Auntie? Sheesh what a raging mistake bro. HINDI HINDI HINDI HINDI HINDI HINDI" and by then I'm crying and drinking.
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Post by Edna Krabappel on Jul 18, 2012 7:25:19 GMT -5
As you said, they deliberately use English to make people look educated or urbane (they also saddle lower class characters which local dialects and slang). I think the educated classes do speak a lot of Hinglish/Tamlish etc. (Hindi/Urdu/Tamil/etc.+Subcontinental English) though. Any decent schooling will be in English and people grow up consuming English language media and pop-culture and want to emulate it. Their English is definitely unique as well. They've invented words like prepone and borrowed characteristics of local languages like doubling adjectives to add intensity and dropping definite articles in speech. A few years ago, everything good was "rocking" and "mind-blowing," now it's probably something else. It's like "HINDI HINDI HINDI HINDI HINDI Don't you agree Auntie? Sheesh what a raging mistake bro. HINDI HINDI HINDI HINDI HINDI HINDI" and by then I'm crying and drinking. That's exactly it! I remember a scene in the hospital in this series that went like: "Ahrjbdgdj the patient is vomiting jhjhjjj headache ehvkalnim call the doctor nsjlfnsjlnjers emergency thanlehacn please henfoslibm no problem hwvetujiao thank you!"
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Post by Wagasi on Jul 18, 2012 9:00:39 GMT -5
Funnily enough, my family used to speak Hinglish almost exclusively. Then we moved here and had few opportunities to use or practice Hindi outside of the house, so we started excising the English out of our domestic speech. Now it feels weird for me to use any English with my parents.
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Post by DBBN on Jul 18, 2012 9:34:38 GMT -5
Maybe it's because my brain is wired for one language only, but that shit would drive me cuh-razy.
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Post by Wagasi on Jul 18, 2012 10:23:13 GMT -5
There's a name for it and everything. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code-switching I think it still counts for interjections of geigh into regular English. It really is another language sometimes.
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Post by Traveling Man on Jul 18, 2012 12:56:45 GMT -5
I can relate to this because I am guilty as charged! When my friends and I hang out, we switch between English and Urdu all the time. It just depends on what you want to express and how you want to express it. And yes, sometimes sentences will be mixed. A Belgian friend of mine asked me about this once and he said the language you think in is the language you're most comfortable with. He then asked me which language I speak in, but honestly it depends on the situation: sometimes I think in English and sometimes in Urdu. Also, Wagasi makes a very good point about how any decent education is in English and leads to taking the GCE O and A Level examinations which are graded in England. Long story short, we are all still British colonies. This is why fair skin colour is revered - they've now come out with men's fairness creams as well. One of my friends was telling me a couple of days ago that a woman called up her mother asking if their family could visit and meet her and her family for a marriage proposal for their son. Then she added, before we come we'd like to know the girl's skin complexion: is she fair or dark? Because if she was dark they didn't want to waste their time. URGH. Yes, the British Raj still lives on. Also, I realize I went off on a tangent a while ago but I just had to get "British Raj" in somehow.
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Post by Traveling Man on Jul 18, 2012 12:58:43 GMT -5
It's like "HINDI HINDI HINDI HINDI HINDI Don't you agree Auntie? Sheesh what a raging mistake bro. HINDI HINDI HINDI HINDI HINDI HINDI" and by then I'm crying and drinking. I loved this. I will be sharing this with my friends. I still can't stop laughing. ;D
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Post by Edna Krabappel on Jul 18, 2012 15:23:18 GMT -5
It's completely natural when people have been exposed to a second language for a long time. I know a Serbian family who's lived in Canada for more than 30 years. They'd start talking in Serbian, then switch to English in the middle of the sentence before going back to Serbian eventually. They say it something that happens unconsciously and that they usually don't even notice they've started talking in another language.
Language interference can be so tricky. It happened to me when I was in Norway. I know enough Norwegian to get by, so I spoke Norwegian with locals and Serbian with my sister and our friends we stayed at. But I also met some people who only spoke English and I found it extremely difficult to talk to them because sooner or later I'd always switch to Norwegian. And the weirdest thing is that I always felt it coming, but couldn't really prevent it.
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Post by janie on Jul 18, 2012 17:24:17 GMT -5
On my one trip to Montreal, I heard a mom and daughter conversing in a dept store, and they were switching back and forth between French and English in the same sentence, exactly as you guys are saying.
But Norwegian! What fun to be able to speak Norwegian.
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Post by DBBN on Aug 10, 2012 20:14:17 GMT -5
Before he deletes it:
Rohan Bopanna @rohanbopanna Feel ashamed to be part of the ATP tour, once again they proved double's players r 2nd class citizens. Should not have double standards...
What happened??
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