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Post by DBBN on Jun 15, 2006 21:22:49 GMT -5
I like Wimbledon. It's nice to have variety. But it could easily be so much better, instead of easily the worst of the Slams. Play every day, equal pay. That would raise it to near the level of the others, instead of maintaining its solid 4th position out of 4. And then once the Williams sisters follow Sampras into retirement (perhaps Sharapova too), no foreseeable problems.
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Post by shenaynay on Jun 15, 2006 22:32:48 GMT -5
I don't care much about equal pay, because they're all getting more than they deserve.
If Wimbledon just ran their tournament like every other one, I wouldn't care. No play on 2nd Sunday? Not starting until 1pm when there's already many rain delay issues? That's junk that only lessens the quality of play.
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Post by :rolleyes: on Jun 15, 2006 23:19:46 GMT -5
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Post by :rolleyes: on Jun 15, 2006 23:20:37 GMT -5
Oh i was in NYC earlier and would like to know if Hurley was one of those Jews near Rockefeller Center with the long beards and the funny hats and the diamonds.
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Post by :rolleyes: on Jun 15, 2006 23:20:56 GMT -5
I'll have to get around to posting pics.
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Post by DBBN on Jun 15, 2006 23:33:07 GMT -5
Oh i was in NYC earlier and would like to know if Hurley was one of those Jews near Rockefeller Center with the long beards and the funny hats and the diamonds. Since I live in Maryland and am not Jewish...of course I was.
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Post by :rolleyes: on Jun 16, 2006 0:01:07 GMT -5
Oh i was in NYC earlier and would like to know if Hurley was one of those Jews near Rockefeller Center with the long beards and the funny hats and the diamonds. Since I live in Maryland and am not Jewish...of course I was. what? you have said before that you were jewish and in NYC
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Post by DevilishAttitude on Jun 16, 2006 6:54:46 GMT -5
It's THE slam, that still treats women as second-class players. Progressive! What? Cos of the pay Even despite that, most women would rate the #1 slam has Wimby. Yup, Wimbledon is by far the most hideous Slam. Move it to indoor carpet in Asia. I seriously agree this should happen. Asia, or Moscow. At the end of the year. Moscow could easily handle a slam. But, I'm not sure the players would enjoy being there during their nasty winters. You can wish, but there's no way in hell Wimbledon will ever be removed has a slam. And Asia's slam is the Australian Open, the asian-oceanian slam. Moscow is totally impractical. I seriously agree this should happen. Asia, or Moscow. At the end of the year. Moscow could easily handle a slam. But, I'm not sure the players would enjoy being there during their nasty winters. It should. Asia has the power, people, money and climate to host a slam. I don't know if Moscow would be the best option though. Maybe move Dubai indoors and to the summer. Tons of money there, plus the ability to pack the house. Yeah lets give it to Dubai whose womens rights in that country is so much better isn't it Maybe women will be allowed to show there faces I don't care much about equal pay, because they're all getting more than they deserve. If Wimbledon just ran their tournament like every other one, I wouldn't care. No play on 2nd Sunday? Not starting until 1pm when there's already many rain delay issues? That's junk that only lessens the quality of play. It's isn't good for the grass courts to play on every single day. And every other court except center court and court 1 plays at 12PM every day. The issues with rain isn't the tournaments fault, that's British weather and that will be less hazardous when the roof arrives.
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Post by DBBN on Jun 16, 2006 7:31:30 GMT -5
Since I live in Maryland and am not Jewish...of course I was. what? you have said before that you were jewish and in NYC 0 for 2, bucko. I DID live in NYC but have lived in Maryland since 2002. I DATE Jews but was raised Christian. So between you and the poor boy who can't keep "your" and "you're" straight, I don't know how this Wimbledon defense can be taken seriously ;D
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Post by Grarliner on Jun 16, 2006 8:04:41 GMT -5
I think the ultimate 'Wimbledon is crap' moment is Goran's title five years ago. He needed a wildcard into the main draw having tumbled out of the top 100. He was incredibly washed-up at that point. But he got hot with his serve and beat several players who were FAR better than he was at that point. It could never have happened anywhere else, but Wimbledon favors one style of game, if it even deserves to be called a 'style', so heavily that it's possible there for someone who sucks as much as Goran did to win the title. Contrary to most opinions at the time, that was not an example of depth on the men's tour, it was an example of the lack thereof. Like, grass plays into the hands of about five players. Goran was one of them that year and won and then reverted back to form, crashing out in the early rounds of every other event he ever played.
I like Wimbledon fine, but it is the worst Slam and grass is an anachronism at this point. At one time it was the center of the tennis universe, but that is two decades at least in the past.
And as for DevilishAttitudes' claim, I think mostly players would just like to win a Slam and have no clear-cut preference. But the ones that do ... I don't imagine more ladies desire a Wimbledon trophy more than say, a Roland Garros title. Martina Nav and BJK are retired (mostly) and the players today don't feel the same way about the tournament.
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Post by Grarliner on Jun 16, 2006 8:05:34 GMT -5
I like Wimbledon. It's nice to have variety. But it could easily be so much better, instead of easily the worst of the Slams. Play every day, equal pay. That would raise it to near the level of the others, instead of maintaining its solid 4th position out of 4. And then once the Williams sisters follow Sampras into retirement (perhaps Sharapova too), no foreseeable problems. Why Sharapova? I'm sure she'll win a Grand Slam again at some point, but she's hardly unbeatable at Wimbledon and I don't expect her to win this year.
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Post by Pamela Shriver on Jun 16, 2006 9:42:22 GMT -5
It's THE slam, that still treats women as second-class players. Progressive! What? Cos of the pay Even despite that, most women would rate the #1 slam has Wimby. Yeah, because of the pay. And I doubt more players would rate it #1 than players rating the US Open #1, RG #1, or the AO #1. Yeah lets give it to Dubai whose womens rights in that country is so much better isn't it Maybe women will be allowed to show there faces I guess you've never been to Dubai, or know anything about it. It's probably the most progressive area of the Middle East, and it's being built up as THE destination for the money of Europe, the Middle East and Asia. They do not govern by Islamic law, and the government has a policy of total freedom of religion, and has actually HELPED citizens build Hindu temples, Catholic churches and mosques. Dubai is the safest place for a woman in the Middle East. You're not going to see men beating one of their eight wives in the streets there, or stoning a woman for not wearing her burqa. It's isn't good for the grass courts to play on every single day. And every other court except center court and court 1 plays at 12PM every day. That's why they're played on 13 out of the 365 days of the year. I doubt that MIDDLE SUNDAY TRADITIONS!~ crap makes much of a difference. The issues with rain isn't the tournaments fault, that's British weather and that will be less hazardous when the roof arrives. So, kill it. One court with a roof is only going to help in the later stages of the tournament. For the first week, everyone is still fucked.
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Post by DevilishAttitude on Jun 16, 2006 10:30:29 GMT -5
What? Cos of the pay Even despite that, most women would rate the #1 slam has Wimby. I still wonder why people complain about the pay. It's not like women are getting paid very little. It should be about the slam, not the actual pay they get. Dubai may be good for women in the middle east now but there is no one who could seriously say they treat women better than in Britain. Your forgetting that no one plays on the grass at any time except those 2 weeks. The grass needs a break. I could understand your point if the grass was played all year round, but it goes from no one playing it to 6 hard days of it. It's not good for it. The issues with rain isn't the tournaments fault, that's British weather and that will be less hazardous when the roof arrives. It's still better than it would be now
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Post by Maeby Fünke on Jun 16, 2006 10:56:36 GMT -5
They do not govern by Islamic law, I think they do implement Sharia law, or their laws are based on it, they just don't use the recommended punishments.
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Post by Traveling Man on Jun 16, 2006 11:37:56 GMT -5
I've attended the Dubai tournament twice. They do an excellent job. Mostly Europeans attend the tournament, but they hold a great event. Their ticketing rules are stupid, though.
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Post by GoDom on Jun 16, 2006 13:15:32 GMT -5
It's incredible that some people here seriously discuss the possibility of Wimby being replaced by an indoor slam. Get it together!!!! Really. Equal pay - so what. The tiny difference is ridiculous but it's no big deal at all, since the women are already filthy rich. Middle Sunday, so what. Get used to it. Wimby isn't anachronistic at all. The changes they made to the venue in the last 12 years have been formidable. Everything's up to date now but they kept the classic look. Compare it the monstrosity that is the AA Stadium and you will know what I mean. They get a roof now on Centre. And they have covers. US Open has towels. Yup, that's 21th century. They should get a new Court No.2 though and make some more changes to the outer courts, but I think they will. And Goran's win was perfectly fine. He DID play extremely well for whatever reason during these two weeks - and after losing to Cristiano Caratti in Queen's, so it was not just the grass. It's sad that so few players have a clue how to play on grass nowadays. That's not Wimby's fault though.
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Post by :rolleyes: on Jun 16, 2006 14:26:04 GMT -5
WTF chloe edited my post!! now watermelon jokes are not kosher? give me a fucking break
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Post by DBBN on Jun 16, 2006 16:38:16 GMT -5
But...that's the point, right? Why should anyone "get used to [sh]it" because, to paraphrase, "that's the way it's always been done"? That's not progressive behavior, so, yes, that leads to anachronisms, stupidity, relative regression, various biases etc. at Wimbledon as it would in any other...you know, noun. Wimbledon has apparently improved their facilities, which is good, but it needs the geezers who run the show to die so their antiquated notions disappear. Yo...2006. And yes, Ashe Stadium blows. A lot.
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Post by DBBN on Jun 16, 2006 16:42:08 GMT -5
And, IMO, I'm fairly certain if you polled the players, both male and female, on their favorite Slam, RG would win pretty handily...actually it AO would probably run right behind, too, judging from comments.
And if you asked them which Slam they'd most like to win, I'll bet RG/W/USO would run roughly 1:1:1. Anglophiles overestimate the current importance of W a lot. But I'm just spitballing here.
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Post by janie on Jun 16, 2006 16:47:43 GMT -5
I don't care much about equal pay, because they're all getting more than they deserve. If Wimbledon just ran their tournament like every other one, I wouldn't care. No play on 2nd Sunday? Not starting until 1pm when there's already many rain delay issues? That's junk that only lessens the quality of play. I agree that that late start is absurd. Remember when they made that momentous decision a few years back to start the show court matches at 1 instead of 2, like on all the other courts? <gasp> As for playing on the middle Sunday, if they're caught up, what's the problem? If they're running behind, though, they should open the gates and play that day.
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Post by DBBN on Jun 16, 2006 16:50:19 GMT -5
As for playing on the middle Sunday, if they're caught up, what's the problem? If they're running behind, though, they should open the gates and play that day. Because Wimbledon can easily get un-caught up in the second week, which means they need to MOVE those matches! And because it's a wasted day and that's stupid. And the revenue from that day alone can fund the LTA's search for a good female player and then we won't have to hear Nav bitch about it every year anymore.
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Post by shenaynay on Jun 16, 2006 16:53:39 GMT -5
I doubt any of us are serious... we know Wimbledon will be around forever and ever, unfortunately.
But they only use the middle Sunday unless they're WAY behind.
It's still ridiculous, anyway. "Super" Monday, which has every Round of 16 match is ridiculous. First off, if it rains the 2nd Monday, they're screwed... and it doesn't give people the chance to watch many of the 4r matches.
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Post by DBBN on Jun 16, 2006 16:58:47 GMT -5
I doubt any of us are serious... we know Wimbledon will be around forever and ever, unfortunately. I'm deadly serious. Antarctican Open '07, baby!
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Post by shenaynay on Jun 16, 2006 17:03:52 GMT -5
Snow tennis rocks.
It will happen someday.
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Post by Grarliner on Jun 16, 2006 17:39:31 GMT -5
It's incredible that some people here seriously discuss the possibility of Wimby being replaced by an indoor slam. Get it together!!!! Really. Equal pay - so what. The tiny difference is ridiculous but it's no big deal at all, since the women are already filthy rich. Middle Sunday, so what. Get used to it. Wimby isn't anachronistic at all. The changes they made to the venue in the last 12 years have been formidable. Everything's up to date now but they kept the classic look. Compare it the monstrosity that is the AA Stadium and you will know what I mean. They get a roof now on Centre. And they have covers. US Open has towels. Yup, that's 21th century. They should get a new Court No.2 though and make some more changes to the outer courts, but I think they will. And Goran's win was perfectly fine. He DID play extremely well for whatever reason during these two weeks - and after losing to Cristiano Caratti in Queen's, so it was not just the grass. It's sad that so few players have a clue how to play on grass nowadays. That's not Wimby's fault though. No, he DIDN'T play extremely well. He got hot with his serve and that's good enough on grass if you are one of the handful of players with a big enough serve to make grass work for you. If he had played just as 'well' at the US Open that year, he would have never made it out of the third round. Basically, these days grass rewards a really shitty style of play (see Rafter v. Sampras) at the expense of more talented players. We're a long way from the artful 80s of Borg-McEnroe-Connors matches. Federer is a throwback in that regard, but isn't really enough to make up for watching Sampras pound out seven titles.
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Post by Pamela Shriver on Jun 16, 2006 19:58:22 GMT -5
Snow tennis rocks. It will happen someday. It already did, dear... In Dubai!
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Post by shenaynay on Jun 16, 2006 19:59:45 GMT -5
They didn't play on snow, though. I thought. I don't know.
Besides, can't use that fake packed powder. It's not the same.
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Post by :rolleyes: on Jun 17, 2006 0:58:07 GMT -5
chloe explanation please? it's ok for Leena to call venus penis but I can't make watermelon references? wtf watermelon jokes are always good bull you bitch.
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Post by GoDom on Jun 17, 2006 8:52:43 GMT -5
No, he DIDN'T play extremely well. He got hot with his serve and that's good enough on grass if you are one of the handful of players with a big enough serve to make grass work for you. If he had played just as 'well' at the US Open that year, he would have never made it out of the third round. Basically, these days grass rewards a really shitty style of play (see Rafter v. Sampras) at the expense of more talented players. We're a long way from the artful 80s of Borg-McEnroe-Connors matches. Federer is a throwback in that regard, but isn't really enough to make up for watching Sampras pound out seven titles. Absolute BS. I'm pretty sure you didn't see a single match of his run. Yes, his serve was hot but he played well from the baseline as well, else he wouldn't have beaten the likes of Roddick, Henman and Rafter WITHOUT winning 3 TB's. And, you live in the past a bit. Show me ONE player who plays like Sampras/Rafter 'these days'. Not to mention that calling these players' styles "shitty" is quite ridiculous. You should post more in Blast from the Past at WTAWorld, I'm sure you would like those old grumpy asses with a faible for wooden rackets. What's absolutely unartful these days are the baseline bashers who don't even try to adjust their game for grass , and often enough get away with it.
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Post by GoDom on Jun 17, 2006 8:58:27 GMT -5
I agree that that late start is absurd. Remember when they made that momentous decision a few years back to start the show court matches at 1 instead of 2, like on all the other courts? <gasp> As for playing on the middle Sunday, if they're caught up, what's the problem? If they're running behind, though, they should open the gates and play that day. The late start is for practical reasons also. The grass is more likely to be absolutely dry at noon than at 11 am. Also, queueing would have to start even earlier, which would suck. Usually they manage to finish all matches scheduled, so what's the problem? Middle Sunday has to do with queueing as well. I admit that it's problematic when they are behind, especially with women's matches since they have to play Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday then. But, they are women, which means best of 3, so actually it's not problematic at all.
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