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Post by Wagasi on Nov 13, 2012 0:48:50 GMT -5
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Post by Old Hag on Nov 13, 2012 20:53:48 GMT -5
No changes that I see. I also dislike how hardcourt tournies swallowed up the fall. It ruined the fall for me, along with Azns who do not care at all about SEWTA.
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Post by Traveling Man on Nov 17, 2012 0:54:40 GMT -5
I used to love the indoor season and we had great tournies too. Now it's just HC all over the place.
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Post by Grarliner on Nov 22, 2012 21:03:28 GMT -5
It really is a poor comparison for today's Tour with the Tour of 15 years ago, isn't it? Remember when Zurich, Filderstadt and such were big indoor events? When the Tour Champs were in MSG? And yes, people used to care about green clay! Charleston and Amelia Island used to get great fields.
Now everything sucks. Btw, the Tour never releases cumulative attendance figures, do they?
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Post by lexpretend on Nov 23, 2012 3:13:13 GMT -5
The Americans have always whined about having to play in the autumn though, I've been hearing "why doesn't the tour end after the USO" for as long as I've followed tennis. Pretty sure that was a factor in Zurich, Filderstadt etc being seen as disposable even though they were popular events.
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Post by Old Hag on Nov 24, 2012 1:37:02 GMT -5
Even when the Americans whined, they still played Zurich, Filderstadt, Moscow...
I think the biggest reason for the end of indoor tennis is the tour doesn't want fast surfaces and serving exhibitions, especially with SEWTA. Players wanted this even back in the 90s. The one indoor tourney that has any importance now is Moscow, and that was changed from lightning fast to wet cement.
I wish the powers that be in tennis would ever be welcome to change. Because your sports desperately needs it.
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Post by GoDom on Nov 24, 2012 5:19:58 GMT -5
I think women's tennis always benefitted from fast surfaces, more than men's tennis. I always enjoyed watching the indoor tournaments, I do not understand why there were done away with. Probably because they didn't make much money for the WTA, but they were great for the WTA's image. Oh well, at least we now have Copenhagen in the summer with 0 spectators. Now that all Americans are almost gone, can the tournaments be brought back please?  |
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Post by lexpretend on Nov 24, 2012 5:56:23 GMT -5
I meant the US journalists more than the players...well, all the players of all nationalities whine about the length of the season before jetting off thither and yon for lucrative exos in the off-season.
The slowing of surfaces is one change that really crept up on us, it's not something that was much discussed until it had happened. It's been fantastic for the men's game, less so for the women's, but I guess it won't be reversed any time soon if the ATP is dictating. It's the variety that's missing more than the slowness.
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Post by Old Hag on Nov 24, 2012 13:25:06 GMT -5
Slow courts have made the quality better for the men, but it's also made every match feel the same. Which is a net loss for me since the Big 4 play each other 10 times per year.
It didn't creep up on us, either. I've been watching too many matches from the 80s and 90s on Youtube lately. Nearly every Sampras match there's comments on making the courts slower, which Pete even wanted himself.
Court speed isn't the big problem, though. It's the rackets. They're too good for creating topspin and bashing from the baseline.
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