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Post by ILR on Jun 24, 2004 15:16:28 GMT -5
aphex If we complain about the ref, its going to be sour grapes even if there is a legimate reasons which I believe there were. Terry was looking at the ball the whole time, he jumped up with his arms (how else do you jump up?!) and if anything Campbell fouled Terry. But the goalies do get those decisions but its so cruel, the same happened in the World cup 98, Campbell scored what looked like the winner and it was disallowed again. This sucks.
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Post by ILR on Jun 24, 2004 15:19:16 GMT -5
Yeah, in a couple of years. Terry was amazing! I was seriously impressed. He makes you feel safe. His head is worth gold. He is also very cute. Consider me a fan. ;D excellent! ;D Yay.....John rules!! I've liked him for a bit, but not really showed it to anybody because he's a Chelsea player! lol. I've watched a couple of documentaries about him, seems really nice. You think he's cute? Hmmm Im not so sure, there is something about him, he's like a lovable tough rogue:P
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Post by fatboy aphex on Jun 24, 2004 15:20:04 GMT -5
Sour grapes? Isn't that what the Italians use to make their w(h)ine?
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Post by ILR on Jun 24, 2004 15:20:32 GMT -5
Sour grapes? Isn't that what the Italians use to make their w(h)ine? Hehe. You know what I mean
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Post by Layla on Jun 24, 2004 15:24:36 GMT -5
Thats right, aphex, Ricardo didnt exactly endear himself to me, but its alright.
Poor Rooney too, he must be pissed off. I should stop thinking about it, or Ill tear up again.
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Post by ILR on Jun 24, 2004 15:31:30 GMT -5
Well at least I've stopped crying now Yep, from then on I knew it wasn't going to be our night...Rooney off, goal disallowed, going into penalties....they were all signs. Should've expected it really.
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Post by Layla on Jun 24, 2004 15:32:25 GMT -5
excellent! ;D Yay.....John rules!! I've liked him for a bit, but not really showed it to anybody because he's a Chelsea player! lol. I've watched a couple of documentaries about him, seems really nice. You think he's cute? Hmmm Im not so sure, there is something about him, he's like a lovable tough rogue:P Yeah, hes cute. Attractive. I love his nose. ;D And his eyes. LOL, this debate is veering off into a strange direction. Maybe I should stop. Lets just say I like him.
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Post by ILR on Jun 24, 2004 15:35:57 GMT -5
Yeah, hes cute. Attractive. I love his nose. ;D And his eyes. LOL, this debate is veering off into a strange direction. Maybe I should stop. Lets just say I like him. You like his nose? ;D God, I love him!! I dont think he's really gorgeous or anything but I do think he has something. Lol no, please dont stop talking about this, its cheering me up And lets face it, we need cheering up dont we. People can just skip our Terry praising lol. But most of all, he's a fantastic defender. I kept a close eye on him last season and I think he deserved his England place. And he's only very young (23) so there's plenty more to come from John hopefully ;D
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Post by Layla on Jun 24, 2004 15:50:37 GMT -5
You like his nose? ;D God, I love him!! I dont think he's really gorgeous or anything but I do think he has something. Lol no, please dont stop talking about this, its cheering me up And lets face it, we need cheering up dont we. People can just skip our Terry praising lol. But most of all, he's a fantastic defender. I kept a close eye on him last season and I think he deserved his England place. And he's only very young (23) so there's plenty more to come from John hopefully ;D Yes, we do need cheering up. Hes not conventionally gorgeous (whatever that means) but theres definitely something about him. Thats what I usually respond to, that unknown quantity. I would call him handsome though. I should learn more about him. ;D Got any links handy? Hes onlz 23? He seems more mature. Yes, from what I (dont) know about football, hes a brilliant defender. At least he perfomed brilliantly today. Was there a controversy regarding his place?
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Post by ILR on Jun 24, 2004 15:56:32 GMT -5
Yes, we do need cheering up. Hes not conventionally gorgeous (whatever that means) but theres definitely something about him. Thats what I usually respond to, that unknown quantity. I would call him handsome though. I should learn more about him. ;D Got any links handy? Hes onlz 23? He seems more mature. Yes, from what I (dont) know about football, hes a brilliant defender. At least he perfomed brilliantly today. Was there a controversy regarding his place? So on I'll ramble about him lol dont worry, I know exactly what you mean Layla. Links, well there aren't really that many about him! I've certainly been looking though lol. You can find many pics on Getty ;D Yeah, he's already a leader at 23 and theres another reason why he's so mature (will pm you in detail if you like) Only really emerged this year though. At Chelsea he was more in the shadows because of Marcel Desailly, he was the star defender. But now thats changed. Yep, the controversy was he would have been on the bench had Rio Ferdinand not forgotten about his drugs test and not got banned. the other thing was he got injured and missed the match v France so Ledley King came in and played brilliantly and there was uproar that King should be dropped for Terry in the next match.
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Post by Layla on Jun 24, 2004 16:07:09 GMT -5
LOL, yes please, pm me. ;D Hmmm, quite a controversy. Ferdinand forgot about his drug test? How does that happen? Well whatever the controversy, John proved that he earned his spot today. Rooneys broken his foot. How awful!
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Post by ILR on Jun 24, 2004 16:13:21 GMT -5
well thats the thing. Nobody quite knows how he forgot to take the test He says nobody reminded him, but anyway because he never took it, it was classed as he had failed a drugs test and got banned for 8 months. Can play soon now though. OK, long winded pm coming up, dont go to bed I heard, same injury as Becks, broke his metatarsal
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Post by Patrik Sjöberg on Jun 24, 2004 16:14:21 GMT -5
Congratulations Portugal What a great result this was, all I need is France to lose, then it will be the perfect European Championships. Portugal were too good overall, in spite of the whining of some English fans about whether Campbell's goal should have been allowed. One, it was a home town decision and these always happen in major championships, whether we like it or not. Two, I can see why it was disallowed, some of the people were saying that in England that would have been allowed, then again players tackle with their studs showing in the UK, yet anywhere else that is a yellow card. Portugal dominated overall and after the early goal, the English were chasing shadows and admiring the triangles, by the Portuguese team, though the old achilles heel of no forward to take advantage of the openings was holding true yet again. Same again in the second half and Gene Hackman Scolari outsmarted Eriksson and all his subs contributed, and even though Figo was quite good tonight, it worked out well that Simao, Rui Costa and Postiga all contributed to the goals. Simao passed to Postiga, and then Rui Costa scored a great goal, then credit to England, that even after being hammered for so long, they managed to level the game. Penalties, well I can't say I was totally thrilled that it went to penalties. Becks missed another penalty, and I thought the Portuguese are safe, then Rui Costa misses. Then the irony of Ricardo scoring after saving Vassell's penalty, gave Portugal a deserved victory, they went out and tried to win the game, and if an England fan can give me legitimate reasons as to why England were the better team tonight and deserved to win, then these would be great to hear.
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Post by Layla on Jun 24, 2004 16:19:24 GMT -5
well thats the thing. Nobody quite knows how he forgot to take the test He says nobody reminded him, but anyway because he never took it, it was classed as he had failed a drugs test and got banned for 8 months. Can play soon now though. OK, long winded pm coming up, dont go to bed I heard, same injury as Becks, broke his metatarsal No worries, Im not going to bed yet. Still working. Cant wait to hear it.
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Post by ILR on Jun 24, 2004 16:23:08 GMT -5
No worries, Im not going to bed yet. Still working. Cant wait to hear it. Well its not really good so um....lol I never said we deserved to win. Its heartbreaking to go out of the tournament like this but theres no point talking it though. Then maybe you can see why people are so incensed by the soft rules as to why that goal was disallowed. When you see goals like that being scored week in and week out in the prem and then to get it disallowed, its pretty damn frustrating. Its almost becoming a non contact sport now
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Post by Patrik Sjöberg on Jun 24, 2004 16:44:16 GMT -5
I never said we deserved to win. Its heartbreaking to go out of the tournament like this but theres no point talking it though. Then maybe you can see why people are so incensed by the soft rules as to why that goal was disallowed. When you see goals like that being scored week in and week out in the prem and then to get it disallowed, its pretty damn frustrating. Its almost becoming a non contact sport now You don't always read my posts clearly. What I actually said was, if an England fan can give me legit reasons as to why they deserved to win, then I am all ears, which doesn't mean that I said you thought this was the case at all. Actually it goes back to what I said previously, just because you can tackle with studs up in the Premiership, that doesn't mean it's good for the major champs and cards get handed out for that. As for the goal, well it could have gone either way, but keepers get protected and mostly with good reason, then again as long as it's ok to impede the keeper, then it's alright to allow the goal then.
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Post by ILR on Jun 24, 2004 16:49:35 GMT -5
You don't always read my posts clearly. What I actually said was, if an England fan can give me legit reasons as to why they deserved to win, then I am all ears, which doesn't mean that I said you thought this was the case at all. Actually it goes back to what I said previously, just because you can tackle with studs up in the Premiership, that doesn't mean it's good for the major champs and cards get handed out for that. As for the goal, well it could have gone either way, but keepers get protected and mostly with good reason, then again as long as it's ok to impede the keeper, then it's alright to allow the goal then. I know what you said. I did read what your post but Im just saying that Im not one of those fans who think we deserve to win. Just incase you think I am. You can't tackle with studs up, its not like its allowed and tackling from behind even if you get the ball and a free kick is given mostly these days. Its just that if you lay a finger on the GK and they get a free kick, its ridiculous. I like the hard tackles and the good battles and not the fact that you can't even touch players anymore without getting penalised. I hardly think Terry was impeding anyway. But we could talk about this all night and nothing is going to change and we're probably not going to agree
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Post by Patrik Sjöberg on Jun 24, 2004 17:02:48 GMT -5
I know what you said. I did read what your post but Im just saying that Im not one of those fans who think we deserve to win. Just incase you think I am. We don't agree, but I don't think you are delusional, or so lacking in objectivity. Actually, in the English and Scottish leagues, there are still studs up challenges, that are not carded and should be. Yes, I am aware tackling from behind is illegal and the example of Marco Van Basten's injuries were a major reason that this happened and rightly so. Yes, keepers are protected species, and they should learn more about better body positioning, and it's milked, just like outfield players trying to win free kicks, when there is no need for it. Hard tackles as long as they are fair and not late or high are fine. That's not hard at all, two-footed challenges are not hard either, that proves nothing about hardness at all. If it was the other way round, the calls of foul would be loud and clear. You make that sound like that's a bad thing.
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Post by Vera on Jun 24, 2004 17:08:15 GMT -5
Emma. Well, at least Owen scored a pretty goal. I'm a little shock to see Ricardo kick the last shootout ball (is it common that goalie kicks during SO ?), it's like he's rubbing it in . But oh well, I shall keep cheering for Figo since all my other fave teams are out by now .
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Post by Patrik Sjöberg on Jun 24, 2004 17:12:03 GMT -5
Emma. Well, at least Owen scored a pretty goal. I'm a little shock to see Ricardo kick the last shootout ball (is it common that goalie kicks during SO ?), it's like he's rubbing it in . But oh well, I shall keep cheering for Figo since all my other fave teams are out by now . It's not unusual anymore I mean there was the Paraguayan goalkeeper Chilavert who used to take the penalties and the free kicks. It's more common in South America then there was El Loco Higuita from Colombia who used to it as well, but now it's becoming more common. It's not rubbing it in at all, he was prepared to take the penalty and hit an outstanding one.
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Post by Vera on Jun 24, 2004 17:22:43 GMT -5
Thanks for explaining, GWH. Now I know. Interesting. See, I always kinda compare hockey to football. And not in a million years will a hockey goalie go for a penalty shot, most of them don't even know how to handle the puck .
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Post by ILR on Jun 24, 2004 17:25:19 GMT -5
Well thats a good thing at least More often that not you will find action being taken. Foot up in the Spanish and Italian leagues is different, you can hardly lift your foot off the ground anymore lol. Most of the free kicks I've seen given aren't particularly dangerous either. Oh for sure, its done all the time but I think its stupid. GK's definately get more lenient decisions though. I agree. I've seen plenty of horror tackles (namely Roy Keane on Haaland some years back) Effictively ended his career. That proved that he was just an idiot. Maybe in the heat of the moment But I think that disallowing a goal of that nature is soft. Period. Well its just that we both dont agree and neither of us will change our minds, so I dont see the point in disagreeing futher for no need. I respect what you have to say, but dont always like/agree with it
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Post by Kiro on Jun 24, 2004 17:25:47 GMT -5
England They need a better goalkeeper. Ericsson C. Ronaldo, he made a sudden stop before kick the penalty, I thought this should not be permitted!
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Post by ILR on Jun 24, 2004 17:26:11 GMT -5
anywya I have to go to bed now. Off to cry again hope you like the interview links Layla!
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Post by Kiro on Jun 24, 2004 17:27:00 GMT -5
//hug Emma!
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Post by Patrik Sjöberg on Jun 24, 2004 17:29:57 GMT -5
England They need a better goalkeeper. Ericsson C. Ronaldo, he made a sudden stop before kick the penalty, I thought this should not be permitted! Well James wasn't too bad during this tournament actually at all. There are other problems as well besides the goalkeeper that England have. The baulking of the penalties, well that's the referees and the linesman's job to stop the players, these players are pro's so they are going to see what they can get away with, so the officials know the rules and they need to enforce them.
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Post by Patrik Sjöberg on Jun 24, 2004 17:48:09 GMT -5
More often that not you will find action being taken. Foot up in the Spanish and Italian leagues is different, you can hardly lift your foot off the ground anymore lol. Most of the free kicks I've seen given aren't particularly dangerous either. This is going to sound arrogant, but I have seen a lot more football from all over the world, that I am fairly confident of. Foot up is still foot up and La Liga and the Serie A in the old days weren't always nice places to play, then they had to something about it and do some research on the Bilbao butcher, this is a guy who put out Maradona and Schuster combined 2,5 yrs with 2 tackles. I doubt you would remember the 80s of Serie A, there were plenty of tackles from behind that were cynical and nasty, which led to a lot of injuries, so taking out creative players, just to prove that they are hard is a good thing? You would like the Brazilian league, then where they have an average of 65 fouls per match and there is plenty of hard tackling that you would appreciate it. Then again I don't see you complaining about the top club and national teams getting favourable decisions e.g like the Latvians not getting a penalty against the Germans, it happens in club football as well. I doubt it. It's called a global and a different perspective and not an English one when it comes to football, it's not better, just different.
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Post by fatboy aphex on Jun 24, 2004 17:51:04 GMT -5
The ref was Swiss, wasn't he? And England kicked out Switzerland of the tournament. Obviously his soft decisions in favour of the Portuguese were a revenge. It was a conspiracy! FURBO!!! ( I didn't mean that, just read too many poor Italian excuses lately )
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Post by Patrik Sjöberg on Jun 24, 2004 17:59:23 GMT -5
The ref was Swiss, wasn't he? And England kicked out Switzerland of the tournament. Obviously his soft decisions in favour of the Portuguese were a revenge. It was a conspiracy! FURBO!!! ( I didn't mean that, just read too many poor Italian excuses lately ) Yes, he was Swiss and it was a great conspiracy that led to England being knocked out Euro 2004. Speaking of conspiracies those clowns on football zone on MTF, I decided to give them a history lesson of fixed matches, that were never investigated.
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Post by fatboy aphex on Jun 24, 2004 17:59:25 GMT -5
You don't always read my posts clearly. What I actually said was, if an England fan can give me legit reasons as to why they deserved to win, then I am all ears, which doesn't mean that I said you thought this was the case at all. Actually it goes back to what I said previously, just because you can tackle with studs up in the Premiership, that doesn't mean it's good for the major champs and cards get handed out for that. As for the goal, well it could have gone either way, but keepers get protected and mostly with good reason, then again as long as it's ok to impede the keeper, then it's alright to allow the goal then. What dou you mean deserve? You earn things. Sweden didn't deserve to reach the QF's but they earned their way. Same with England, Portugal dominated most of the game and probably deserved to win. But I think the ref chickened out and disallowed that Campbell goal because he didn't wan't any controversy, so in reality I think England earned a victory, but was robbed by a coward ref
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