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Post by Brinyi on Jul 4, 2007 13:39:11 GMT -5
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Post by lexpretend on Jul 4, 2007 13:46:34 GMT -5
Q. Vaidisova.
VENUS WILLIAMS: Is that who I play?
Q. Thoughts on that.
VENUS WILLIAMS: We've played definitely some good matches over the last couple years. I felt unfortunate because I never felt like I was a hundred percent healthy playing those.
I think this time I'll be a lot better. She's definitely a very talented player, a great athlete, nice person. It will be a good match.
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Post by DBBN on Jul 4, 2007 14:14:28 GMT -5
Another journalist corrected that retard later.
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Post by Brinyi on Jul 4, 2007 14:16:09 GMT -5
Boggo/"Due" South are leading M.Bryan/Raymond 4-3 in the 3rd. Melo is playing another three sets in the mixed and leading 5-3 in the third, teaming with T.Paszek.
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Post by Brinyi on Jul 4, 2007 14:40:26 GMT -5
"Definitely not 100 percent at all. It was probably at 40 or 50 -- max. If I had been healthy I think I would have won, 100 percent."
-- S.Williams
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Post by vaiva on Jul 4, 2007 14:53:32 GMT -5
Bloody eggcellent, Juju. Too bad I missed all the matches today.
Dear Venus, the queen of percentages, I wish you to at -54654654% tomorrow, weather permitting, bwahahahah
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Post by Grarliner on Jul 4, 2007 15:21:58 GMT -5
On second thought, maybe I am missing the salient point of those stats. Justine had more winners, on grass, than Serena did. She really can stand toe-to-toe with them now. Yeah, I don't know. Justine had as much control of that match as Serena did. That is the key, I think. So how does Serena respond? Quit the tour for another six months?
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Post by janie on Jul 4, 2007 15:35:32 GMT -5
"Definitely not 100 percent at all. It was probably at 40 or 50 -- max. If I had been healthy I think I would have won, 100 percent." -- S.Williams That's an arrogant remark. But I think that Justine believes the same thing about herself regarding her 2006 Wimby & USO finals; she has said so, but only indirectly. I think all champions really think this way, and need to think this way. Sharapova is probably telling herself the exact same thing right now. I think it was when Hingis was finally forced to give up this thought, after that terrible AO Final loss to Jennifer, that her long decline started. And with Justine's obvious problems with nerves today, of course Serena *might* have beat her if her BH was there. I just don't agree with the "100 percent" part. But what I'd love would be for Justine to prove to her in some future Slam that it isn't true. No choking, JH!
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Post by janie on Jul 4, 2007 15:36:48 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't know. Justine had as much control of that match as Serena did. That is the key, I think. So how does Serena respond? Quit the tour for another six months? No, she said she only lost because of her injured left hand. This loss won't affect her at all, because she doesn't believe in it.
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Post by DBBN on Jul 4, 2007 15:46:37 GMT -5
The percentage comments don't bug me, because if she wants to play 10%, 40%, 70%, whatever, that's fine -- if you can only play like shit, you will LOSE. That's why the "I beat myself" comments make me laugh so much. Oh, you didn't keep the ball in the court? Oh, well, see, that's the First Rule of Tennis. So...you suck at Tennis, the Game. Which is...what you play for a living. Thank you for admitting that, Serena. What pisses me off about the Genitals is when they say their OPPONENTS didn't play well. Fortunately, Serena did say Justine played well in her presser today.
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Post by Brinyi on Jul 4, 2007 15:48:16 GMT -5
Mixed Doubles - 2nd Rnd. Alex Bogdanovic (GBR)/Melanie South (GBR) def Mike Bryan (USA)[1]/Lisa Raymond (USA)[1] 6-4 3-6 6-3
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Post by janie on Jul 4, 2007 16:08:48 GMT -5
Ha, nice one for the Brits! Hurley, you're right -- at least Serena didn't say "all Justine had to do was show up". In fact she said she thought that was the best Justine has ever played. She must not have noticed the horrendous 1st serve %, or the choking.
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Post by janie on Jul 4, 2007 16:09:57 GMT -5
I wonder if the Melo/Sa story is going to get any media attention AT ALL?
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Post by corswandt on Jul 4, 2007 17:51:38 GMT -5
28-26, you're kidding! Well congrats to Samelo for making history. Those are the fellows who won the Estoril Open doubles. Good for them, they're really fun. "Vamo' 'bora! Vamo' 'bora!"
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Post by corswandt on Jul 4, 2007 17:54:50 GMT -5
BREAK HER, VEE! Smack a ball right to her vocal chords! Oh, come on. As if Venus doesn't screech as well.
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Post by corswandt on Jul 4, 2007 18:08:38 GMT -5
Re: Henin vs Williams, I liked it more than the Miami match. Interesting how the crowd was vocally pro Henin. So where do the WS fans get this idea that the sisters are the most popular (as in, well liked) players in the world?
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Post by janie on Jul 4, 2007 18:38:41 GMT -5
BREAK HER, VEE! Smack a ball right to her vocal chords! Oh, come on. As if Venus doesn't screech as well. Yep, Venus does scream. But today she didn't crank it up until later in the match; I was surprised how quiet she was early on. I wonder if she'll be loud if she ends up playing Justine? Screaming on one side seems to encourage it on the other.
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Post by sasha on Jul 4, 2007 19:12:54 GMT -5
Justine never grunts loud.
I always wanted Stefanie to do it back to Monika, but she wouldn't.
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Post by lisab on Jul 4, 2007 19:32:34 GMT -5
Ju moans.lol. kinda like a cow. Mmmmmmmmww, mmmww
Hurley, my sentiments exactly re playing the %. Serena's 25 yrs; when is she going to get how silly it is to speak of that? It's all about how you play. She's been talking about playing her best and being sure to win etc for many years now. but what she is showing is that she CANNOT do it on court.lol. Just bring it Serena and stop talking about it.
And in Miami when Ju clearly choked away that 2nd set and lost spunk in the 3rd, Serena would never admit that Ju almost beat her. No, it was all about her in the presser. But, she is not as immune as you'd think. Ju is in her head a bit, or alot.
Of course Serena on a fast surface is definitely in Ju's head; she was scared out of her wits (almost) today.
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Post by lisab on Jul 4, 2007 19:46:54 GMT -5
Serena's left hand was a bit messed up, so good observations on some of the crappy bh shots.
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Post by DBBN on Jul 4, 2007 23:07:20 GMT -5
Re: Henin vs Williams, I liked it more than the Miami match. Interesting how the crowd was vocally pro Henin. So where do the WS fans get this idea that the sisters are the most popular (as in, well liked) players in the world? Hmm...at least the American WS fans bitch about how underappreciated they are here in their home country. But I'm basing that on WTA World. No one I know in real life likes the Williams sisters, for obvious reasons. So...WTA World WS fans are right I do, however, think I heard much more support for Serena than Justine today, though; at the very least there were more random "SERENA!"s than "JUSTINE!"s. But on match point it seemed the majority of the crowd wanted Justine to close her out, so maybe you're right. For some reason I think the WS are appreciated more at Wimbledon than any other tournament.
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Post by sasha on Jul 4, 2007 23:25:34 GMT -5
Do Brits not like any of the American players.
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Post by janie on Jul 5, 2007 5:48:59 GMT -5
No. Only after they retire do American tennis players become admired figures in Britain. They love Johnny Mac now, but hated him when he was actually playing. They didn't like Pete, Andre, anybody, really. But maybe Chris Evert?
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Post by Grarliner on Jul 5, 2007 7:49:28 GMT -5
Re: Henin vs Williams, I liked it more than the Miami match. Interesting how the crowd was vocally pro Henin. So where do the WS fans get this idea that the sisters are the most popular (as in, well liked) players in the world? I think they are certainly the most well-known players in the world. Popular? Well ... in terms of the amount of fans they have, sure they are. They may even have more than anyone else. But ... if it means anything that their fanbase is dwarfed by their detractors, then no. And, it seems, the greater one's devotion to tennis, the less one's liking of Venus and Serena. RE: the usual Williams trash talk after a loss. The thing Serena, Venus and their legion of devotees don't seem to understand is that, if we choose to believe them, they play terribly far more than they play well. Maybe "all Justine had to do was show up." But that's fine. It seems like Serena has yet to record a match she's satisfied with and yet to have a loss that had anything to do with her opponent. Well, okay. So I guess her opponents really are better because Serena can't bring her top form hardly ever. But they don't get it - "one time out of ten Serena will play so well on a hardcourt nobody can beat her!". Sure, fine. And the other nine times Justine will beat her. So who's better? What matters is the score. And if Serena were intelligent, she'd consult the match stats and see that Justine hit with her and ran with her throughout the match and came out ahead on clean winners, something that was nearly impossible to do against her for years.
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Post by DBBN on Jul 5, 2007 12:43:45 GMT -5
RE: the usual Williams trash talk after a loss. The thing Serena, Venus and their legion of devotees don't seem to understand is that, if we choose to believe them, they play terribly far more than they play well. Maybe "all Justine had to do was show up." But that's fine. It seems like Serena has yet to record a match she's satisfied with and yet to have a loss that had anything to do with her opponent. Well, okay. So I guess her opponents really are better because Serena can't bring her top form hardly ever. But they don't get it - "one time out of ten Serena will play so well on a hardcourt nobody can beat her!". Sure, fine. And the other nine times Justine will beat her. So who's better? Yeah, exactly what I was saying. So no one can beat you when you're playing your best? Fine. But you admitted you weren't playing well. So...if you're not playing good tennis, that means someone's better at tennis than you, right? Right? *crickets* If Venus beats Justine it will be more hideous than...well, no, nothing will be more hideous than L.A. Leach in 2005. I have a feeling that Serena is one of those people who would still say the same things even when the people arguing with her stop giving cogent conclusions from evidence and instead present her with facts. Which is 99% of the human race, but hey.
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Post by Grarliner on Jul 6, 2007 1:10:33 GMT -5
I've learned to appreciate Venus v. Lindsay in that final. It really was a great match. And one that happened on the right stage for once.
What I consider a shame is that L.A. Leach couldn't play last year - she had a shot.
So we agree on Serena, which I learned when I read your earlier comment just now. All that's left to say is AHAHA! Serena didn't win Wimbledon OR the French!
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Post by lexpretend on Jul 6, 2007 1:41:39 GMT -5
I was rooting for Venus in the 05 final
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Post by corswandt on Jul 6, 2007 15:57:32 GMT -5
And, it seems, the greater one's devotion to tennis, the less one's liking of Venus and Serena. That's the impression I get as well when I talk to the more knowledgeable fans and people who work in the business.
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Post by DBBN on Jul 6, 2007 19:23:53 GMT -5
And, it seems, the greater one's devotion to tennis, the less one's liking of Venus and Serena. That's the impression I get as well when I talk to the more knowledgeable fans and people who work in the business. Obviously. They're horrible people with terrible games. It really isn't even a question.
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Post by Grarliner on Jul 7, 2007 2:04:21 GMT -5
That's the impression I get as well when I talk to the more knowledgeable fans and people who work in the business. Obviously. They're horrible people with terrible games. It really isn't even a question. I don't know if I can go that far. They're combative, even surly sometimes and that's what we get to see of them on the court. They're also arrogant and sore losers - but that may just be in the world of tennis. But I don't think they're bad people. At least, I don't see the evidence of that.
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