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Post by Lady on Jun 29, 2011 1:54:35 GMT -5
How it's against the rules if you can call for the trainer even between the points? You can't have a toilet break yes, but injury time-out? Or you think the rules say you're not allowed to call for the trainer if, for example, you fell, then played another point, but feel like the pain is too much, but it doesn't matter because you stood up and "continued"? How could they write this in the rule book? And didn't Safin call for an injury time-out for a blister when he was down a match point? A match he won later IIRC. As for the last bit, I don't know. Did he? If it wasn't your favorite player, would you still think the above? You can call for the trainer any time. Receiving treatment outside of the changeovers is rare, it usually requires some sort of visible injury like the fall Del Potro took. Prove me wrong if you like - I'm not positively sure the rule book says you can't do that. I have a suspicion that the umpire allowed Rafa to do something that he probably would not have allowed most other players to do. I think he got some star treatment but that isn't uncommon or exclusive to him. In the post you quoted I was simply arguing that I don't see how can they write that rule when you can or can't call for a trainer and described a hypothetical situation to prove that I just don't see how you can make a concrete rule about it. What's that has to do with the fact that Rafa is my fave player? I was merely stating that I doubt it's against the rules per se. I didn't have a problem with what Rafa did, and I didn't have a problem with what DelPo did, he's my 2nd fave after all. So it's just my bias, obviously. I was pissed when Soderling did it against Rafa here a couple of years back and Rafa lost a set later on and then went on to play that match for 5 days instead of winning in 3, and I'm sure i whined a lot about it, but in the end I always know it's Rafa's fault for losing focus. That Safin match was a huge RG match, so I was sure somebody must remember the details? I think MTF were all outraged, but since it was very pro-Safin, so there weren't that much hate.
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Post by The Chloe on Jun 29, 2011 16:51:08 GMT -5
It's not that which is the issue. The issue is that Rafa hurt himself on one point in the 6-5 game but continued playing. Then, upon losing the game (where he had setpoint to close the set), he walked to chair for the trainer. At 6-6. When there isn't a changeover. It should have been tough luck for him and he could see the trainer at the end of the set. When Del Potro fell, he saw the trainer immediately. He didn't hop up, play a few more points, and then walk to the chair. I'm not saying Rafa's injury was fake, no. I just don't think he should have been able to call the trainer at that moment. As far as I know, it's against the rules. This may be the issue with you, fatty, and you very well may have a point. I have no idea what the specific rules on this matter are. Mind you, i Rafa did actually break the rules here, the real issue would be with the umpire, not the player. It's not the player's job to enforce the rules. My comment was regarding those posts earlier on in the thread, where I saw people moaning and complaining, going for the "OMGFAKING" troll angle which makes parts of my brain die. I have absolutely no idea why otherwise intelligent people do this. Boredom? Funsies?
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Post by Grarliner on Jun 30, 2011 16:13:14 GMT -5
You're right, the issue is with the umpire. But all I said is that I think Rafa got a bit of star treatment which is not unusual or exclusive to him. I can't think of a specific example, but Fed has gotten plenty of star treatment from the chair in the past.
He wasn't faking, though. No way.
In all major sports, there's the rules as they are written and then the rules as they are enforced. In basketball, how many times do you see the players commit travelling yet it's rarely called? Look at the NHL and how random the officiating is. Same with football. In baseball, it's pretty common for double plays to not involve the second baseman or shortstop actually even TOUCHING second base. It's just assumed if the play isn't close that it's ok if they just kinda paw somewhere close to it. Tennis is no different - I guess it's just a bit irritating when you see the rules bent a bit at a crucial time in the match.
But the real rules issue with Rafa (and Novak) is the time violation one. But again, if they don't enforce it, then it's not the player's fault for taking the extra time, of course.
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