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Post by Edna Krabappel on Jul 5, 2013 19:30:39 GMT -5
An inexcusable mistake in the minds of Balkantards indeed!
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Post by DBBN on Jul 5, 2013 19:37:50 GMT -5
I think by the time YUG finally started playing as separate countries, she was stabbed. And then when she came back, she was American. So she never technically played for a SRB/SMO/CRO/KOS.
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Post by Edna Krabappel on Jul 5, 2013 19:45:06 GMT -5
She definitely never played for SRB, we only became "independent" in 2006. The old Yugoslavia officially broke up in 1992, Croatia and Slovenia seceded already the year before. They competed independently at the Barcelona Olympics. Serbia and Montenegro then formed the new, lesser Yugoslavia, but it wasn't recognized internationally for a long time and was only admitted into the UN in 2000. Then in 2003 it was renamed to the State Union of Serbia and Montenegro, known as SCG, until it finally passed away three years later. I believe she played under the old Yugoslav flag until Hamburg '93, even though the country didn't exist anymore.
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Post by DBBN on Jul 5, 2013 20:00:35 GMT -5
Yes, she was always playing YUG. I guess her heart wasn't in politics. #$ele$
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Post by janie on Jul 5, 2013 20:10:26 GMT -5
An inexcusable mistake in the minds of Balkantards indeed! People need to be more careful. They could get cursed with 300 hairy bears!
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Post by janie on Jul 5, 2013 20:20:20 GMT -5
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Post by DBBN on Jul 5, 2013 20:20:45 GMT -5
Janie, I note per Facebook and your odd hours of late that you are suffering from insomnia. Is everything OK!?!?
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Post by janie on Jul 5, 2013 20:25:41 GMT -5
Insomnia. Yeah, I do have that, but it's not a new thing. I've had it for a few decades. I usually don't go outside, though.
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Post by janie on Jul 5, 2013 20:27:19 GMT -5
I want to watch Delpo-Nole again, but I want it to be live again, and this time I want Delpo to win. I want Wawrinka, Pony, and Robin Soderling to win everything for the next couple of years.
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Post by DBBN on Jul 5, 2013 20:33:30 GMT -5
Insomnia. Yeah, I do have that, but it's not a new thing. I've had it for a few decades. I usually don't go outside, though. You usually fall asleep early and get up early! Or so I thought. I also have trouble falling asleep but the alternative I thought you did sounds more ungodly.
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Post by janie on Jul 5, 2013 20:45:23 GMT -5
Yeah, a lot of times I do fall asleep early, and readily, but then wake up hours and hours too early and stay awake. But sometimes I have trouble falling asleep, too. People who consistently get 7 or even 8 hours of sleep every night don't know how lucky they are, do they! That reminds me, I need to put a boring book by my bedside to read in the night. Holy books put you to sleep even faster -- there's a tip for you!
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Post by DBBN on Jul 5, 2013 21:50:46 GMT -5
The Bible. Now that's a trick I've yet to try. I think it would mostly get me more enraged though.
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Post by Old Hag on Jul 6, 2013 0:23:15 GMT -5
Yeah, Monica skipped all the SRB/SMO/DOKIC stuff. Which is why I never noted she was from Serbia, and will forget by tomorrow.
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Post by Lady on Jul 6, 2013 5:00:14 GMT -5
Yeah, a lot of times I do fall asleep early, and readily, but then wake up hours and hours too early and stay awake. But sometimes I have trouble falling asleep, too. People who consistently get 7 or even 8 hours of sleep every night don't know how lucky they are, do they! That reminds me, I need to put a boring book by my bedside to read in the night. Holy books put you to sleep even faster -- there's a tip for you! My Mom used Anna Karenina for this purpose. The reason why I never read it myself. And thankfully I never needed it for school.
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Post by janie on Jul 6, 2013 6:09:36 GMT -5
But Anna Karenina's a great book! Read it someday. At age 40 maybe. And I tried the Bible idea last night. Didn't work at all; so much for that. I wish the final would start right now. We have company coming for an overnight stay, two nieces and one niece's son. And janiehub's leaving tomorrow. Awkward timing to try to be planted in front of the television for hours, but even more so tomorrow for the men's final. "Oh, what? You're leaving? Right now? Wow, what a great lob! Okay, bye"
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Post by Grarliner on Jul 6, 2013 9:51:18 GMT -5
Yeah, AK is a great book!
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Post by Lady on Jul 6, 2013 9:55:33 GMT -5
Sometimes I wonder if they shorten the book out while translating, cause I see a lot more foreign fans of Tolstoy then Russian ones.
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Post by Grarliner on Jul 6, 2013 9:58:34 GMT -5
Sometimes I wonder if they shorten the book out while translating, cause I see a lot more foreign fans of Tolstoy then Russian ones. I don't think they do? My version ran to over 800 pages. And it was small print, reasonably large pages.
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Post by Edna Krabappel on Jul 6, 2013 10:02:00 GMT -5
Sometimes I wonder if they shorten the book out while translating, cause I see a lot more foreign fans of Tolstoy then Russian ones. I guess it's because he's shoved down the Russian throats too much? I couldn't get into Anna Karenina because I knew she was going to jump under that train, so what's the point. And War and Peace was just too LONG. Of course, both were obligatory read at high school.
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Post by Lady on Jul 6, 2013 10:03:09 GMT -5
Sometimes I wonder if they shorten the book out while translating, cause I see a lot more foreign fans of Tolstoy then Russian ones. I don't think they do? My version ran to over 800 pages. And it was small print, reasonably large pages. I read a fantastic article about translating Russian novels, and there were so many examples how a translator puts his own spin on the book. That some translators do a strict translation, and they can't reflect the style of the writer, others are more interesting in reflecting the style, so they will change the words etc. It made me think a lot how a translator can make or break the book.
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Post by janie on Jul 6, 2013 10:03:31 GMT -5
It's a long book. It takes a lot of time to read, but I love entering that Tolstoy-created world. Very different from Flaubert's claustrophobic world of Madame Bovary, Anna's sister in literary adultery.
A Russian poster on Goodreads is the only person I've ever heard say that AK is actually very funny in parts! That gave me a new perspective. Definitely the husband's bureaucratic (non-)doings at work are hilarious.
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Post by janie on Jul 6, 2013 10:07:51 GMT -5
I couldn't get into Anna Karenina because I knew she was going to jump under that train, so what's the point. Hey, no! You forgot to post **SPOILER ALERT** I get the part about having it shoved down your throat, though. It's the same thing we were talking about with nationalistic tennis commentators shoving certain players down our throats and turning us against them. BTW, if Pushkin was shoved down your throat, too -- read Eugene Onegin anyway.
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Post by Lady on Jul 6, 2013 10:08:07 GMT -5
Sometimes I wonder if they shorten the book out while translating, cause I see a lot more foreign fans of Tolstoy then Russian ones. I guess it's because he's shoved down the Russian throats too much? I couldn't get into Anna Karenina because I knew she was going to jump under that train, so what's the point. And War and Peace was just too LONG. Of course, both were obligatory read at high school. No, I don't think he's actually THAT popular. Pushkin is shoved down our throats, it actually took me a while to realize that I don't like his works, because we were basically conditioned to LOVE him. Off course my literary experience in school is somewhat not common because our teacher was the director of the school, she was busy, so we skipped a lot of stuff. War and Piece was on our summer reading list for several years, but we never actually read it (I got through 70 pages). Anna Karenina was never even mentioned. On the other hand we studied "Dead Souls" by Gogol for around 5 months.
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Post by janie on Jul 6, 2013 10:09:22 GMT -5
Ha, I guessed that about Pushkin.
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Post by Lady on Jul 6, 2013 10:12:59 GMT -5
Eugene Onegin was actually the one that convinced my I don't like Pushkin, heh.
I loved Bulgakov's "Master and Margarita", "Thunder" (Groza?) by Ostrovsky, even "Dads and Sons" by Turgenev, but Pushkin, naah? As I got older I got disappointed even in Puskin's fairy tales and their message.
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Post by Edna Krabappel on Jul 6, 2013 10:17:45 GMT -5
We didn't do much Puskhin, which was just as well because I mostly despise romanticism. Chekhov was very common and I did enjoy most of his work, but I found Gogol a bit meh. Master and Margarita was fantastic, while Brothers Karamazov was maybe a bit too tough to digest at the age of 18.
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Post by Lady on Jul 6, 2013 10:22:30 GMT -5
We didn't do much Puskhin, which was just as well because I mostly despise romanticism. Chekhov was very common and I did enjoy most of his work, but I found Gogol a bit meh. Master and Margarita was fantastic, while Brothers Karamazov was maybe a bit too tough to digest at the age of 18. I think I had the same problem with Puskin as you did, I just didn't know what to call it. Gogol is meh, no mistake there. I remember we read some Chekhov, but I don't remember anything about it. "Brothers Karamazov" was never on the list, and we never got to Dostoyevskiy, which is a shame cause I don't have a willpower to read him on my own. In hindsight I think the majority of classics are very hard to understand and appreciate while in high school, which is sad.
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Post by Lady on Jul 6, 2013 10:32:39 GMT -5
BTW, I just realized that I don't remember ever reading any non-Russian authors in our literature class in school. Says a lot about the nature of our education.
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Post by Edna Krabappel on Jul 6, 2013 10:38:40 GMT -5
In hindsight I think the majority of classics are very hard to understand and appreciate while in high school, which is sad. That's definitely true. Just to remember what we read in first grade alone: the Bible, Dante, Greek tragedies... You obviously can't have a proper perspective at that point. But as you say, I doubt I would be reading Dostoevsky on my own now, so I'm at least glad I once did. Looking back, I (had to) read so much at high school. The consequence of all that is that I can't read fiction anymore.
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Post by Edna Krabappel on Jul 6, 2013 10:41:02 GMT -5
What is it with quoting?
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