Hidden World Women, Part 2: Bumpkinetteland

[Paean]

Just noticed something Earth-shattering.

Why has Scholl's name changed from Chichi to Chi Chi?

[janie]

Maybe she's just messing with our heads.

[DBBN]

Sept 20, 2011 14:57:47 GMT -5 janie said:

I really think Elbo should retire, but as long as she continues to perform services like this, she's welcome to stick around without me trying to push her out:

(6)Elena Bovina (RUS) d. (1)Alexandra Stevenson (USA) 64 60

That was in the final Q round in Albuquerque.

And then she lost in the 1R to someone terrible who I forget.

[DBBN]

Oh, right. GOATmila. 1 and 2.

[janie]

Oh no! How horrible that it's making me laugh, but poor Elbo.

Here's what happened in the rest of r1:

(1)Anna Tatishvili (GEO) d. Michelle Larcher De Brito (POR) 76(4) 62
Irena Pavlovic (FRA) d. Petra Rampre (SLO) 63 26 61
(wc)Lauren Davis (USA) d. (wc)Malou Ejdesgaard (DEN) 62 61
(Q)Asia Muhammed (USA) d. (5)Kathrin Woerle (GER) 64 63

(4)Aleksandra Wozniak (CAN) d. Chi Chi Scholl (USA) 61 61
Ashley Weinhold (USA) d. (Q)Jessica Roland-Rosario (PUR) 63 76(5)
Camila Giorgi (ITA) d. (Q)Elena Bovina (RUS) 61 62
(6/wc)Jamie Hampton (USA) d. Ajla Tomljanovic (CRO) 46 63 64

(7)Melanie Oudin (USA) d. Kurumi Nara (JPN) 64 67(5) 62
Regina Kulikova (RUS) d. (JE)Daria Gavrilova (RUS) 62 60
Lindsay Lee-Waters (USA) d. Yulia Putintseva (RUS) 75 76(5)
(3)Mirjana Lucic (CRO) d. Melinda Czink (HUN) 75 20 Ret.

(8)Alexa Glatch (USA) d. Julia Boserup (USA) 62 62
(LL)Amanda Fink (USA) d. (Q)Amra Sadikovic (SUI) 36 76(2) 64
Ahsha Rolle (USA) d. (wc)Grace Min (USA JR CHAMP) 62 63
(2)Edina Gallovits-Hall (ROU) d. Madison Brengle (USA) 64 67(4) 62

[janie]

Albuquerque r2:

(1)Anna Tatishvili (GEO) d. Irena Pavlovic (FRA) 64 62
(wc)Lauren Davis (USA) d. (Q)Asia Muhammed (USA) 61 75
(4)Aleksandra Wozniak (CAN) d. Ashley Weinhold (USA) 46 60 62
Camila Giorgi (ITA) d. (6/wc)Jamie Hampton (USA) 61 63

Regina Kulikova (RUS) d. (7)Melanie Oudin (USA) 64 64
(3)Mirjana Lucic (CRO) d. Lindsay Lee-Waters (USA) 63 62
(LL)Amanda Fink (USA) d. (8)Alexa Glatch (USA) 61 64
(2)Edina Gallovits-Hall (ROU) d. Ahsha Rolle (USA) 64 61

[DBBN]

GOATmila's results are actually halfway decent, think Sprem v2.0...but still, poor Bovine. She is just never going to gEt It ToGeThUrRrR.

Chi Chi Scholl got beat beat down. It's just a matter of time for WozCan to dispense with ITFs again, though.

I BELIEVE Melanie sucks 4-eva. Maybe even 5-eva.

[DBBN]

Also how bad are these new Russians? And Grace Min too.

There is just no one good on the horizon, is there. Simona Halep is going to win Slams from 2013 until 2032.

[Grarliner]

I think you're still stuck on the supernova model which really seems to be not how the modern game works. It seems that players will no longer peak at 16 like Hingis. Nor does it seem that too many juniors will go roaring through the ITF circuit immediately (although didn't Kvitova?).

But is that better? Players that have done very well at first like Karatantcheva or Paszek or Kutuzova burned out badly. Players whose career has been more of a slow burn have done much better (like Li or Stosur).

[lexpretend]

If there were any juniors with the talent of a young Serena or Hingis or Steffi, the supernova model would return. We've discussed already how weak SEWTA is throughout the ranks. I don't buy that it's "more physical" when you still see so many weak pushers ascend into the top 100. The problem is that all the juniors suck.

[Edna Krabappel]

Sept 23, 2011 17:27:03 GMT -5 lexpretend said:

The problem is that all the juniors suck.

Basically. If someone as talented as Steffi or Serena (or Hingis or Justine or Venus or Kim or...) showed up, they certainly wouldn't be getting crushed by Regina Kulikova or AHSHA ROLLE. I'm not asking top juniors to win Slam at the age of 16, I just expect them not to lose to scrubs over and over again.

[janie]

They wouldn't lose to LLW, that's for sure. And in straight sets! And I say this as a fan of LLW.

[jon]

Ashleigh Barty might turn out good.

But yeah this is a really weak crop of juniors. I believe Puig also lost in the qualies this week.

The last juniors to really make an impact early were MLDB, Vaidisova and Karatancheva and it turned horribly wrong for all three. Weird.

[DBBN]

Sept 23, 2011 15:27:20 GMT -5 Grarliner said:

I think you're still stuck on the supernova model which really seems to be not how the modern game works.

So, as everyone else has said...no.

[lexpretend]

Sept 23, 2011 19:01:13 GMT -5 jon said:

Ashleigh Barty might turn out good.

But yeah this is a really weak crop of juniors. I believe Puig also lost in the qualies this week.

The last juniors to really make an impact early were MLDB, Vaidisova and Karatancheva and it turned horribly wrong for all three. Weird.

Throw Golovin and Paszek in there too. I believe Corswandt has written about the fluke "lost generation", those last supernovae whose careers failed for completely different and unrelated reasons, but who could conceivably have filled the void that the Williamses and Belgians kept leaving, and in a more credible way than the Serbs and Safina. (Though I still haven't seen a convincing explanation for MLDB's regression. I mean, I know what her weaknesses are, but how do you explain her outstanding results at such a young age then.)

Literally no one born after 1991 is putting up the results or playing the game of a potential elite player. No one! Most of them can't get out of 25Ks! Look, if Jeepers and Soler Espinosa can make the top 100 there's no reason a genuinely talented junior should find it tough.

[lexpretend]

Anyway back to the people actually winning matches:

St Malo 100k SFs

Stefanie Voegele vs. Sorana Cirstea
Mathilde Johansson vs. Silvia Soler Espinosa

Zzz.

Shrewsbury 75K F

Mona Barthel vs. Heather Watson

It is nice to see Watson pan out. But again, she and McHale are by far the top 1992 girls, and no one is pretending they have a hope of winning Slams with their games.

Albuquerque $75k SFs

Anna Tatishvili vs. Aleksandra Wozniak
Regina Kulikova vs. Edina Gallovits-Hall

Good to see Kulikova win matches in one of her rare healthy spells. Hopefully she wins it all.

Foggia 25K F

Renata Voracova vs. Paula Ormaechea

Ormaechea has been very impressive this year. Good to see, until she actually emerges on tour and we get to see her play and she turns out to be yet another dull Latin American grinder.

Tbilisi 25K SFs

Lesia Tsurenko vs. Julia Cohen
Reka-Luca Jani vs. Elena Bogdan

Who the hell let Cohen into the SFs?! Go, Jani, go.

[janie]

Thanks! Go Aleks & Paulita!

[janie]

Las Vegas 50K, Qr1:


Macall Harkins (USA) v (Alt)Diana Ospina (USA)
Nicole Melichar (USA) d. Elizabeth Ferris (USA) 36 64 62
Gabriela Dabrowski (CAN) d. Malou Ejdesgaard (DEN) 61 36 63
(8)Yasmin Schnack (USA) d. Yuliana Lizarazo (COL) 76(3) 60

(2)Alexandra Stevenson (USA) d. Brittany Augustine (USA) 62 63
Mashona Washington (USA) d. Danielle Mills (USA) 62 63
(wc)Vasilisa Bardina (RUS) d. (wc)Kimberly Yee (USA) 63 64
(5)Olga Puchkova (RUS) d. Piia Suomalainen (FIN) 63 57 75

(3)Roxane Vaisemberg (BRA) d. Surina De Beer (RSA) 62 62
Amra Sadikovic (SUI) d. Lauren Embree (USA) 61 63
Jessica Roland-Rosario (PUR) d. (wc)Tori Kinard (USA) 64 46 64
Ying-Ying Duan (CHN) d. (6)Amanda Fink (USA) 62 64

Gabriela Paz (VEN) d. (4)Julie Coin (FRA) 46 63 62
Krista Hardebeck (USA) d. Jacqueline Cako (USA) 63 61
Shelby Rogers (USA) d. Zoe Gwen Scandalis (USA) 63 75
Alexandra Mueller (USA) d. (7)Elena Bovina (RUS) 76(6) 67(5) 61 -- no comment!

[janie]

LV q2:

Roxy lost. Ying-Ying won. Time for a Ying-Ying pic:

[Brinyi]

Gracious! Ying-Ying is thin-thin.

Watson went from panning out to flaming out - she was dumped in that final by Barthel, 0 & 3. That's a 10-match win string and 2 ITF titles for Mona since her loss to Jeepers Scheepers at Flushing -- all straight sets.

Please join me in congratulating Chieh-Yu HSU for her $10K title in Turkey.

[janie]

Congratulations, Chieh-Yu HSU! Is she 15, I hope?

[janie]

LV fQr:

GabDab (CAN) d. Nicole Melichar (USA) 61 67(1) 76(2)
(wc)Vasilisa Bardina (RUS) d. (2)Alexandra Stevenson (USA) 57 64 63
Ying-Ying Duan (CHN) d. Amra Sadikovic (SUI) 63 75
Krista Hardebeck (USA) d. Shelby Rogers (USA) 63 36 64


Qualifiers' placement in draw:

Camila Giorgi (ITA) v (Q)Ying-Ying Duan (CHN)
(6)Edina Gallovits-Hall (ROU) v (Q)Gabriela Dabrowski (CAN)
(4)Mirjana Lucic (CRO) v (Q)Krista Hardebeck (USA)
MLDB (POR) v (Q)Vasilisa Bardina (RUS)

[Brinyi]

Sept 27, 2011 19:04:47 GMT -5 janie said:

Congratulations, Chieh-Yu HSU! Is she 15, I hope?

Doubtful unless your local Ivy League establishment is accepting 14yo tennis players!

rebecca.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=challenger&thread=5448&post=271812

/me refrained from saying "you don't read my posts"

[janie]

Wow, that's especially bad since I went to Penn! :red:

[janie]

LV50: 1:

(1)Romina Oprandi (ITA) d. Laura Siegemund (GER) 64 67(2) 75
Camila Giorgi (ITA) d. (Q)Ying-Ying Duan (CHN) 64 60
(wc)Allie Will (USA) d. Kathrin Woerle (GER) 63 75
(6)Edina Gallovits-Hall (ROU) d. (Q)Gabriela Dabrowski (CAN) 60 62

(3)Varvara Lepchenko (USA) v (wc)Julia Boserup (USA) 64 76(2)
Kurumi Nara (JPN) d. Madison Brengle (USA) 63 61
Sesil Karatantcheva (KAZ) d. Melanie Oudin (USA) 75 67(2) 60
(8)Jamie Hampton (USA) d. Petra Rampre (SLO) 76(4) 61

Alexa Glatch (USA) d. (5)Alison Riske (USA) 46 63 63
Timea Babos (HUN) d. Irena Pavlovic (FRA) 76(5) 64
(wc)Maria Sanchez (USA) d. (JE)Monica Puig (PUR) 61 75
(Q)Krista Hardebeck (USA) d. (4)Mirjana Lucic (CRO) 76(4) 64 (ML sick)

(7)Valeria Savinykh (RUS) d. Ashley Weinhold (USA) 26 62 63
Regina Kulikova (RAMPANT) d. Ajla Tomljanovic (CRO) 61 62
(Q)Vasilisa Bardina (RUS) d. Michelle Larcher De Brito (POR) 63 76(5)
(2)Anna Tatishvili (GEO) d. (wc)Asia Muhammed (USA) 26 63 62


Vasi was out for a long time and this was her comeback match; not bad. Can't say I missed her, though.

[Brinyi]

Ying-Ying. Gab-Gab.

Screecher de Screamo. BELIEVE. Madison. Luc-sick.

J.Hampton. 

Puig.

[janie]

Jakarta, Indonesia 25: 2: And Then There Was One (INA):

(1)Iryna Bremond (FRA) d. (Q)Nadia Abdala (MEX) 60 61
Luksika Kumkhum (THA) d. (7)Yue-Yue Hu (CHN) 61 60
(4)Tamaryn Hendler (BEL) d. Nigina Abduraimova (UZB) 64 64
(8)Nudnida Luangnam (THA) d. (wc)Grace Sari Ysidora (INA) 61 75

Yi-Jing Zhao (CHN) d. Chiaki Okadaue (JPN) 60 63
(3)Chanel Simmonds (RSA) d. Sung-Hee Han (KOR) 62 26 64
(5)Ayu-Fani Damayanti (INA) d. Nungnadda Wannasuk (THA) 64 61
(2)Varatchaya Wongteanchai (THA) d. Aminat Kushkhova (RUS) 63 61

*INAs who lost in r1: Rompies , Tananta , and 3 hapless WCs

[janie]

LV: 2:

(1)Romina Oprandi (ITA) d. Camila Giorgi (ITA) 63 67(5) 75
(wc)Allie Will (USA) d. (6)Edina Gallovits-Hall (ROU) 75 41 Ret.
Kurumi Nara (JPN) d. (3)Varvara Lepchenko (USA) 63 60
(8)Jamie Hampton (USA) d. Sesil Karatantcheva (KAZ) 76(4) 62

Alexa Glatch (USA) d. Timea Babos (HUN) 26 62 62
(wc)Maria Sanchez (USA) d. (Q)Krista Hardebeck (USA) 63 62
Regina Kulikova (RUS) d. (7)Valeria Savinykh (RUS) 61 46 62
(2)Anna Tatishvili (GEO) d. (Q)Vasilisa Bardina (RUS) 36 60 62


Telavi, Georgia50: 2:

(1)Alexandra Cadantu (ROU) d. (wc)Elina Svitolina (UKR) 76(4) 64
Julia Cohen (USA) d. Sofia Shapatava (GEO) 57 76(5) 60
(3)Lesia Tsurenko (UKR) d. Ani Mijacika (CRO) 16 62 61
(JE)Irina Khromacheva (RUS) d. Cagla Buyukakcay (TUR) 76(5) 67(2) 64

(5)Mihaela Buzarnescu (ROU) d. Lina Stanciute (LTU) 64 64
(4)Alexandra Panova (RUS) d. (Q)Elizaveta Ianchuk (UKR) 16 64 61
(6)Margalita Chakhnashvili (GEO) d. IRO (ROU) 67(4) 76(4) 62
Jana Cepelova (SVK) d. (wc)Tatia Mikadze (GEO) 62 63


Jakarta QFs:

(1)Iryna Bremond (FRA) d. Luksika Kumkhum (THA) 61 62
(4)Tamaryn Hendler (BEL) d. (8)Nudnida Luangnam (THA) 67(4) 62 62
(3)Chanel Simmonds (RSA) d. Yi-Jing Zhao (CHN) 60 63
(5)Ayu-Fani Damayanti (INA) d. (2)Varatchaya Wongteanchai (THA) 61 61

[The Chloe]

Some girl I teach used to be a hidden world doubles player, ranked 498 or something. I forget, I made her tell me once. She coaches now, and that's pretty much the end of that story.

[janie]

Cool! But not surprising to us Westerners who assume that all Russians (at least those who aren't gymnasts or hockey players) play professional tennis. And are blonde, and a little crazy.